How bout a cleveland?

[modpwr]

I've just picked up a 89lx,former 4cyl car(has a stock 302 and c4 in it). I am wanting to do a build up with this car and I am looking at all my options before I start ordering parts. I have a cleaveland block and 4v heads, what hp can I get from this setup. I know it's not as popular as the windsor but I already have this engine, and wanted to see if anyone has had good results or bad from this powerplant.

[tatertot]

The Cleve/Fox is a nice/easy bolt-in when using swap headers/oil pan. I like the Cleve engine but in this day you kinda have to be dedicated to run one. There's a ton of aftermarket parts available for the Windsor motors these days. Just depends on what you wanna do I guess.

Tater

[modpwr]

The Cleve/Fox is a nice/easy bolt-in when using swap headers/oil pan.

What swap kit did u use, and do u use the 4v heads or the 2v.

oh and what et is ur car running. Thanks.

[tatertot]

I use a Canton swap pan, it's worked/fit good. Headers are from Kooks, they work/fit good just can't use them with a Manual trans clutch cable....Heads are stock port 4V Closed Chambers. Best ET on motor is a 10.72 and a 9.89 on juice.
Tater

[Musclestang]

you will get mixed responses asking about a clev ..... either you lovem or hatem . I had 2 of them , and will never own another .

[modpwr]

I'm more interested in the cleaveland since I already have it but the windsor is still a possibility for me. just trying to get the pros and cons of the cleaveland.

[Jay Allen]

Listen to Tater, he'll point you in the right direction.

I LOVE Clevelands myself. With a little magic, it takes a lot of Windsor to catch them.

[modpwr]

I found a swap kit that has 1 7/8 long tube hedman headers will they work with an auto or 5-speed.

Should I make it a 393 or something similar, and what about cam and pistons for it. thanks.

[tatertot]

Jay....Thanks for the Compliment!
The Hedmann swap headers will work with an Auto trans and they fit real close but workable for a stick combo from what I've been told. As far as an engine combo I can tell you about a real low $ combo or maybe do a step-up and do a stroker combo combined with one of Jays custom cams? Either way this combo should rock pretty good.

Tater

[modpwr]

As far as an engine combo I can tell you about a real low $ combo or maybe do a step-up and do a stroker combo combined with one of Jays custom cams? Either way this combo should rock pretty good.


I'd be interested in seeing what both combos consist of and price range. Thanks.

[1BAD50]

When windsors start beating Blown, Injected, Alcohol Burnin Hemi's...

with stock iron heads and blocks...

let me know...:grin:

[Barry_R]

A 4V closed chamber Cleveland is a damn strong motor with an undeserved bad reputation. I've helped out on a couple of low budget ones and they both ran stupid strong and lasted forever under a lot of abuse.

All thedevelopment on Windsor stuff has left the old "C" as something of a curiosity these days - - but I'd run one if I had it.

[modpwr]

I'd like to see the parts tater is talkin about to put in the clev. Maybe he will chim in and let me know a little more about the setup.:)

[urlosin]

The biggest disadvantage I can see with the Cleveland is the lack of places to race them heads up. The heads aren't legal for too many classes.

[Jay Allen]

The heads aren't legal for too many classes.
Wonder why?

Modpwr. A 393 stroker kit can br pruchased from many places. Mark O'Neal who frequents this board is a great place to start. And he's an oldtimer too so getting a piston for a Cleveland ain't no big deal. There are a few single plane manifolds that will do a good job.

I would start there.

[KATO ENGINEERING]

JAY,

we are ALL ..."old timers"....



"urloosin"


last time I "asked",

.....there aint no "rules" on the street...


do you wonder why there are sanctions against the use of canted valve heads....???

because they are SUPERIOR....!!!!!

[BrickTop]

FYI...I saw a photo of aluminum Edelbrock Performer heads from the SEMA show. I haven't heard any of the specs though...

[1BAD50]

The heads aren't legal for too many classes.1.) Reason: We'll never sell any aluminum heads this way...

2.) Reason: It will be too embarrassing...

3.) Reason: Damn engine builders will be makin the money...

4.) Reason: No injection intakes and shortie headers...

Imagine if the '82 5.0 HO had been equipped from ford with the Aussi 2bbl. heads...

Would there ever be a post...

"How bout a windsor"

[urlosin]

JAY,



"urloosin"


last time I "asked",

.....there aint no "rules" on the street...




Yes, but street racing is illegal and nobody would even think about engaging in a contest of speed on the public roadways...riiiight?:rolleyes:

[Jay Allen]

4.) Reason: No injection intakes and shortie header
OMG, shorty headers. ROTFLMAO! Classic. Truely classic.

[1BAD50]

Yes, but street racing is illegal and nobody would even think about engaging in a contest of speed on the public roadways...riiiight?:rolleyes:Uh...huh...

http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=490431

:shocked: :cool: :grin:

[urlosin]

Damn hooligans!


Back on topic, what intakes work good on Clevelands? Will the NASCAR intake bolt up? The only performance Cleveland intake I have seen is the torquer with the rotated carb flange. I think it was on one of Phil Pickerings old street cars.

[modpwr]

Wonder why?

Modpwr. A 393 stroker kit can br pruchased from many places. Mark O'Neal who frequents this board is a great place to start. And he's an oldtimer too so getting a piston for a Cleveland ain't no big deal. There are a few single plane manifolds that will do a good job.

I would start there.

The machine shop I deal with buys parts from CHP and says if they have the stuff I need I can have the parts for what he has in them, if he does the machine work. CHP a good vendor for the clev?

[1BAD50]

what intakes work good on Clevelands?the unanswered question of the ages...

The torquer is the manifold of last resort...

The old Holley "Strip Dominator" has a good following...

The aussi manifolds may be the best bolt-ons...

I'm not suggesting it but...the weiand 2x4bbl. tunnel ram smokes em all big time...unless you unearth a UR-19

Edelbrock has some new manifolds to go with the new heads...dual plane...

The race set-up is to move the ports up and to the left and use a nice SVO or Edelbrock single plane...

PS...if you can find one...the old "SHELBY" dual plane may be the ultimate big port street manifold...

[modpwr]

What do u think about all this tater?

[k. putman]

No body has said anything about the extra weight on the front of the car as opposed to a W style block that will make the same inches and can bolt on the same heads...what is it, about 70 pounds? at the wrong place?

[Jason Reiss]

I was thinking the same thing. Why not take a Windsor to acompetent machine shop, wtih a good set of Cleveland heads, andhave them "customize" them so that you can bolt right to thatWindsor? There used to be directions on how to do this in theMotorsport catalog...

[k. putman]

Plz don't confuse my above post and think I am anti-C. I grew up watching BG with those motors in Pinto's, Mustang II's, THE FAIRMONT, with his high port plates and such. We even ran one in a superstock car in the early 80's.

Just trying to point out the weight factor. As Jason pointed out the "Clevor" is a dandy little project.

[1BAD50]

Well now it's the History Channel time...

What was ford's first canted valve smallblock...BOSS 302 right...hmmm...

when ford motorsport sprung up from the ashes of the gas crunch...

they came out with two SVO type blocks...the austrailian cleveland...and the SVO that looked like a windsor...but had the critical dimensions of the cleveland...9.200 deck and the 2.750 mainline...now there's so many variants...you need a chart...

putting the big port clevelands on a production windsor does not save that much weight...the front overhang weight is somewhat offset by the taller 9.500 deck height...but the extra cube potential is attractive...and then again...you lose the 4-bolt mains...the biggest problem concerns the fact that intake manifold choice is tough the way it is...and now you want spacers too! Header choice get's cut too. Tell you somethin else...when you were racin high rpm clevelands and you had to check roller lifters between rounds...it sure was cool turnin a few bolts and lift'n the manifold with NO WATER pourin everywhere...

The ultimate block for your cleveland heads is a siamease bore SVO...with the deck choice determined by the needed displacement...if you take a pair of verniers and measure across the width of the chamber you get about 4.155"...think about it...:grin:

PS...the bad ass cleveland blocks were the ones that had the cylinders bored right out till they were gone! Sleeves were then installed and the assembly put in a furnace...then the whole thing was brazed back together...and you think you've got big money in your race block...

[1BAD50]

THE FAIRMONTOh Yea! THE 1978 FAIRMONT! Will the world ever see the likes of again!

What's the BADDEST drag car of all time??? Anything else...don't make me laugh!

Why????

Well...cause NOBODY ever beat it...NOBODY...

Not Jenkins...Not Reher/Morrison/Sheppard...Not Dyno/Kasse...NOBODY...EVER...

Never missed Englishtown/Summernationals...so in 1978 I'm walkin the pits and I see Glidden's trailer...Oh yea...lets go check out the Pinto!...I round the corner of his trailer...and theres a FAIRMONT with the diff held up by a floor jack with the exhaust snapin an bang'n as it bein warmed up!!! IT'S A FREAKEN FAIRMONT!!! What's UP!!! Got some poloraids with the kids standing at attention, backs up against the trailer too...So later I'm up in the stands to watch Pro-Stock qualify'n...and when the man makes his pass I take my eyes off the car to watch the scoreboard...the et comes up a low 8.50's pass for #1 position...but the mph is down about 7-8 mph...WTF !!!

Well later we watch again...and obviously during eliminations...OH MY GOD HE'S PULLIN THE CHUTE !!! EARLY !!! WTF !!! HE'S KICKIN SAND IN THEIR FREAKEN FACES !!! HE'S PULLIN THE CHUTE AT 3/4 track !!!

Never seen NOTHIN like it !!!

Car completed all remaining national events undefeated !

Last time I heard...quite a while now...car was not for sale...no way...no how...

[Boss306]

I run the cleveland 4bl heads on my 306 (66 289 block) and i think they r the cheese. it did cost a little more for head work and R&D but heck My 86 stang runs 10.15 @ 131mph on Motor!

[1BAD50]

What's the manifold...:)

[Boss306]

Ita a jack roush manifold for c-3 cyl heads, shaved and the floor raised slightly.

[1BAD50]

Yup...that's what I got for my BOSS 302 "Street Bandit" 88 Stang...

Pullin about 873 hp now...

Car's got a mid-summer appointment at the chassis shop...

Got a better manifold comin...:)

[Boss306]

NICE! Great to see some guys still runnin these setups willing to do the R&D
Hey if your ever at NE dragway let me know, i'd like to check it out!

[1BAD50]

Used to run the machine shop at allied auto parts there in brockton...way back in 77-80...

maintained some 351-C pro-stocks...so I seen some cast iron stuff in my day...

get wilson to fix your plenum...if you haven't already...it's got about a 650 hp limit otherwise...

love to have the car on the track by the end of summer...it's all about the $$$...

[tthomp]

damn guys this is a killer thread......... young lads like me don't get too here these cool kind of history type stuff very often

[Jay Allen]

I used to work for Ronnie Crawford. He had a 1966 Mustang with a +.060 Boss 302 (310cid). I don't remember the manifold, but is was one of the first Wilson manifolds. With a heavy ass Lenco, he went 8.80-8.90. It was awesome. He then built a Boss cranked (had it chromed ;) ) and stroked it to a Boss 336.6 (4.06 X 3.25). Went to C302B and a Wilson sheetmetal 2 X 4BBl intake (which I own. It is in my garage. Anyone want to make an offer and buy it). He could never get it down the track. I think it went 8.50's in and out of the throttle all the way down West Palm Beach Drahstrip.

A Boss 347 would be bad ass.

[SRV1]

What year Cleveland heads? I know where their is at least 4 of these motors.

James

[modpwr]

What year Cleveland heads? I know where their is at least 4 of these motors.

James

I think they are 1970 4v closed chamber, can't remember what they came off of.

[k. putman]

Hey BAD...
the Fairmont was at the NHRA museum (on loan) BUT last month there was an ad in National Dragster selling it off. Musta' already recycled the issue and coundn' find the price but I think it was $40,000. That car ran when BG would use the 1st rd as a test session. How cool would it be to have everyone covered like that.

[1BAD50]

I may have seen that car...

I have seen NHRA photos makin the BIG CLAIMS...

When in fact the 1980 car was pictured !

http://www.nhra.com/museum/features/feature16.html

WAZ UP???

Also fails to mention the summernats win...and I believe the et to be incorrect...

How cool would it be to have everyone covered like that.every racer's dream...right?:grin:

[tatertot]

WOW!!!! I take a day away from the computer and look at this Thread!!..LOL...As for a low $ Cleveland, Here's a combo that I had awhile back that was as follows: I bought a longblock from a local that already had a Canton swap pan and Heddman Swap headers with it for $500, The shorblock consisted of stock crank, stock rods with ARP bolts and stock pistons. I used a $132.99 Herbert solid cam/lifters 245/255 @ .050 with .570/.590 with a 106 Lobe Center. I used that Crane conversion stud kit to run roller rockers. Ford Motorsport $36 set of pushrods. I bought a set of used BBC Crane Golds off a friend for $75.The Heads were stock port 4V Closed Chambers with a Comp Cams spring/retainer/lock set-up to match the cam. I used the stock Ford multi-groove valves..lol...The intake was a used $75 Edelbrock Torker with a Holley 750 DP. Add-in the usual coin for Fel Pro gaskets and that was it. I ran this combo for almost 2 years on the street and as many weekends at the track as I could when running the local bracket points stuff. Car was about 3200#'s with a C-4 and an off the shelf 4k stall convertor with 4.56's. With ET Streets and exhaust and some real good Fall air this thing went a best of 11.11 around 126 then it had a cylinder bore crack. Not too impressive by the combo's in todays times but pretty cool for such a low $$ combo. Sorry to ramble-on.

Tater :)

PS On the Clevor combo's, I've been collecting Alot of parts for this combo. Hopefully have one together sometime this year.

[1BAD50]

I run the cleveland 4bl heads on my 306 (66 289 block) and i think they r the cheese. it did cost a little more for head work and R&D but heck My 86 stang runs 10.15 @ 131mph on Motor!Yaa know...

that's a pretty stout little 306...

some more info might be nice...:)

[modpwr]

WOW!!!! I take a day away from the computer and look at this Thread!!..LOL...As for a low $ Cleveland, Here's a combo that I had awhile back that was as follows: I bought a longblock from a local that already had a Canton swap pan and Heddman Swap headers with it for $500, The shorblock consisted of stock crank, stock rods with ARP bolts and stock pistons. I used a $132.99 Herbert solid cam/lifters 245/255 @ .050 with .570/.590 with a 106 Lobe Center. I used that Crane conversion stud kit to run roller rockers. Ford Motorsport $36 set of pushrods. I bought a set of used BBC Crane Golds off a friend for $75.The Heads were stock port 4V Closed Chambers with a Comp Cams spring/retainer/lock set-up to match the cam. I used the stock Ford multi-groove valves..lol...The intake was a used $75 Edelbrock Torker with a Holley 750 DP. Add-in the usual coin for Fel Pro gaskets and that was it. I ran this combo for almost 2 years on the street and as many weekends at the track as I could when running the local bracket points stuff. Car was about 3200#'s with a C-4 and an off the shelf 4k stall convertor with 4.56's. With ET Streets and exhaust and some real good Fall air this thing went a best of 11.11 around 126 then it had a cylinder bore crack. Not too impressive by the combo's in todays times but pretty cool for such a low $$ combo. Sorry to ramble-on.

Tater :)

PS On the Clevor combo's, I've been collecting Alot of parts for this combo. Hopefully have one together sometime this year.


Thanks for the info tater and the rest of u guys this should help me out a lot.
as of right now I think I'm gonna do the clev, not sure if the bottom end is gonna be left stock or not. :)

[Adam_Culpepper]

ive got a 9.5 SVO block 454 inch setup with A3 heads going together right now. the manifold im using is an old Offenhauser 351C setup that has had its in sides cut out and a blower top put on it. Bill at Price Motorsports is working on some adapters for me right now so i can use the manifold. im going to have to fill the bottom of the ports in the manifold a little to match the A3 head ports, but otherwise, i should be good to go. im going to overdrive the 6-71 fifty percent, and on top sits a Enderle Birdcatcher setup for alcohol. ive been building this combo over the last few years in my spare time with spare cash (like such a thing exists). almost done.

[mpowerstang]

So, when we gonna get this project underway? LOL!

[90lxcoupe]

I rember back in the day people saying the the cleveland 4v heads were too big for most street cars & I blelive they even sold some kind of inserts to keept the velocity up in the intake ports. In those days a Windsor was considered to be a POS.

Also, whover mentioned it, Heres another vote for the Glidden Fairmont as the greatest drag car of all time.

[modpwr]

So, when we gonna get this project underway? LOL!

I would like to get it goin this summer. :grin:

[Shiftit]

A Boss 347 would be bad ass


We'll find out this summer how bad it really is.

Chad

[1BAD50]

I rember back in the day people saying the the cleveland 4v heads were too big for most street cars & I blelive they even sold some kind of inserts to keept the velocity up in the intake ports.A lot of the guys racing these things had there own flow benches. And cases of epoxy. Guys would sit up nights flow testing with clay...trying different shapes and theory's in the intake port...and when they thought they had something new...its time to mix up the epoxy and duplicate it eight times. Many teams had like 3 sets of heads...all done different. Great efforts and ingenuity.

Price Motorsports has the port plates for the exhaust too. Only needed for max efforts...

Those A3 castings are a good choice for the bigger motors because of port volume...port layouts/curvatures/chamber design not up to the new stuff of course...sounds to me like it will go like hell tho...:)

[1BAD50]

Not much to say...

because the pic says it all...

http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4139677#post4139677

[tatertot]

Check these heads out that I bought from my friend Frank that runs a Blue Thunder headed beast.

Tater

[tatertot]

Another pic. intake side.

Tater

[1BAD50]

Cool...:)

Ready for the biggest tip on this thread?

"FOCUS ON LOW LIFT EXHAUST FLOW"

Get a dial indicator on your #1 exhaust lifter and put the piston @ BDC...

Find the valve lift at this point...

Hope your machinist has a Serdi or Sunnen VGS-20 and a flow bench...and lots of cutters...

Get a junk head and keep workin the exhaust from the moment the valve leaves the seat to your measured valve lift...don't waste your time elsewhere!

Are the heads posted? What's your C/R? Are you having head gasket issues?

Good Luck...

[351crules]

another thing that works on the exhaust is to weld a tail from the exhaust guild all the way out to the end of the port. i gained 15 cfm doing this

[ditchbanger]

Was Gliddens car a fairmont or a zephyr? In the link it looks like a merc to me. Funny the car didn't make its way onto Barret Jackson, way cooler than that ugly F-88.

[90lxcoupe]

I beleive it was a Fairmont Futura with the T-Bird style roof.

http://www.nhra.com/museum/features/images/bob_glidden_78_ford_fairmont.jpg

[1BAD50]

It was a Fairmont allright...

But that's his 1980 car...

the 1978 had long red stripes the length of the car...

PS...most of those exhaust stuffing wings/plates only helped high lift flow...

[k. putman]

http://www.pricemotorsport.com/Exhaust_Plates/351C_High_Port_Plate/body_351c_high_port_plate.html

here is the price exhaust piece for the C head. I have also seen a simple piece that bolts between the header flange and head to raise the floor

[90lxcoupe]

You mean this one?

http://www.nhraonline.com/50th/images/1978top.jpg

[1BAD50]

TA-DA !!!

Is that NHRA thing misleading or what?

[KATO ENGINEERING]

if the original post for the picture was about the dragster,

..then you know that I was the other one that ran one too..


there was a 20 some odd page detail of about all the trials and tributes of back then when we ran this stuff on an everyday basis....

[7DMACH1]

Have a 1970 408c w/ closed chamber heads in my 70 Mach1. Love clevelands.

[1BAD50]

Sorry...

but I found this pic...

and it was just too good...:)

http://www.dragraceusa.com/nostalgic/VeneyvsArmstrongTADs.htm


PS...now I may be wrong here but...

doesn't it look like dale has his head turned...checking the postion of Ken's front tire and thinking..."OH SH*T"

meanwhile...Ken's head is laid back in the cage look'n up say'n..."See Yaa"...:grin:

[BlackBelt]

Uh...huh...

http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=490431

:shocked: :cool: :grin:

I always figured you were one of those guys who did some street racing with a hot small block Ford. When you are arguing with the Texas school bunch about the superiority of the small block your statements have that "been there, done that" ring. I had a similar experience with my first hot rod Ford only mine was a 312 bored out to 335 and my "Ford" was a Mercury.

[BlackBelt]

Sorry...

but I found this pic...

and it was just too good...:)

http://www.dragraceusa.com/nostalgic/VeneyvsArmstrongTADs.htm


PS...now I may be wrong here but...

doesn't it look like dale has his head turned...checking the postion of Ken's front tire and thinking..."OH SH*T"

meanwhile...Ken's head is laid back in the cage look'n up say'n..."See Yaa"...:grin:

It looks to me like Dale is pushing on the steering wheel trying to get the car to go faster. I've done that too.

[1BAD50]

Been wanting a factory supercharged 57 for long time now...

Thinking of building one with a Lincoln 368 Y-block...

Someone's got to show-up all those 57 chevys on cruise night...:)

[n2o408coupe]

ive got a 9.5 SVO block 454 inch setup with A3 heads going together right now. the manifold im using is an old Offenhauser 351C setup that has had its in sides cut out and a blower top put on it. Bill at Price Motorsports is working on some adapters for me right now so i can use the manifold. im going to have to fill the bottom of the ports in the manifold a little to match the A3 head ports, but otherwise, i should be good to go. im going to overdrive the 6-71 fifty percent, and on top sits a Enderle Birdcatcher setup for alcohol. ive been building this combo over the last few years in my spare time with spare cash (like such a thing exists). almost done.
I have always wanted to have a setup like this!!! Can't wait for pics! :bow:

[Chuck Stevens]

I've got an old Cleveland blower manifold up in the attic. Had it for so long I can't remember where I got it. Seems to me that when I got it somebody said it had been run by some guy named Brad. :burnout:

[1BAD50]

Ford's 351 Cleveland may very well be the greatest racing cylinder head ever installed on a production vehicle...

It was on the verge of taking over NHRA drag racing...

Pro-Stock Championship titles in 73, 74, 75, 77, 78, 80...

Jack Roush house cars were feared Comp-Eliminator competitors...

While sportsman racers were buying Roush/Cleveland engine parts and making an impact locally...

Chevrolet racers couldn't help but notice...and some switched...

Including the late/great John Lingenfelter...who won comp at the 77 Summernationals in his Cleveland powered monza...

Even the Hemi guys...who believe the sun rises and sets on their beloved Chrysler...felt the sting of the 351-Cleveland...

The thunder of complaints in NHRA corporate offices must have been unbearable...

As they issued for the first and only time...a weight penalty...for anyone running such a powerplant...

And changed the rules of Pro-Stock...to the 500 cubes we have today...

The king is dead...long live the king...

[ford-swap]

Ford's 351 Cleveland may very well be the greatest racing cylinder head ever installed on a production vehicle...

It was on the verge of taking over NHRA drag racing...

Pro-Stock Championship titles in 73, 74, 75, 77, 78, 80...

Jack Roush house cars were feared Comp-Eliminator competitors...

While sportsman racers were buying Roush/Cleveland engine parts and making an impact locally...

Chevrolet racers couldn't help but notice...and some switched...

Including the late/great John Lingenfelter...who won comp at the 77 Summernationals in his Cleveland powered monza...

Even the Hemi guys...who believe the sun rises and sets on their beloved Chrysler...felt the sting of the 351-Cleveland...

The thunder of complaints in NHRA corporate offices must have been unbearable...

As they issued for the first and only time...a weight penalty...for anyone running such a powerplant...

And changed the rules of Pro-Stock...to the 500 cubes we have today...

The king is dead...long live the king...


Oh boy.. don't get me started on putting cleveland heads back on my motor... I just spent good money to put Brodix Track 1's on my cleveland block :D

I like to do things a bit ka-razy heh

[351crules]

http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=119419&messageid=1111915350

this chevy guy knows a good head when he sees one

i bet that was alot of work

[1BAD50]

OMG...

They say a picture is worth a thousand words...

but in this case...

I'd say that's a little underrated...





PS...If you remember Bill Jenkins famed book on building the smallblock chev...

there was a pic on the inside cover showing him considering the fit of a cleveland tunnel ram to the chev...

[BlackBelt]

OMG...

They say a picture is worth a thousand words...

but in this case...

I'd say that's a little underrated...





PS...If you remember Bill Jenkins famed book on building the smallblock chev...

there was a pic on the inside cover showing him considering the fit of a cleveland tunnel ram to the chev...

I've got that book and have read it more than once. I never noticed that picture but there it is on page 4.

[Jay Allen]

Including the late/great John Lingenfelter...who won comp at the 77 Summernationals in his Cleveland powered monza
The ultimate insult to a Bowtie guy. A SBF in a Chevy.

The Cleveland stuff is a lot easier (to me) to go REAL fast.

This is a good thread.

[oohwe306]

how are the 4v closed chamber heads for street use? do the cleveland heads make good tq down low?

[KATO ENGINEERING]

with the right gear, they make power EVERYWHERE...


The Cleveland head is the most dominant head ever built,

and it also was the most restricted by rules......


and it is also the most mis-understood.

[Adam_Culpepper]

"I have always wanted to have a setup like this!!! Can't wait for pics!"

its coming very soon. the birdcatcher is in the mail as we speak, and very few parts are still needed.

[90lxcoupe]

Maybe its kinda what the yates heads are, but why not make a pair of these out of aluminum in a windsor friendly set up?

[SteveD]

Did CJ Batten design the Cleveland heads for Ford?

[KATO ENGINEERING]

probably not.

it is said that the original ford employed guy was AL BUCKMASTER.....

[haig]

While the topic is cross breeds, I hear that an LS1 head will bolt down to a 302.

I don't have any other details, but if it's true, those LS7 heads would probably work real well.

I have got that in my list of crazy things to try when I find parts cheap file, just like a DOHC Volvo head on a Ford 2.3 liter turbo block.

[KATO ENGINEERING]

I havent tried that, but we did put a cut up dohc jaguar head on a 460 block......

and there is a guy that has put a pinto head on a 289 block.....

[1BAD50]

The ultimate insult to a Bowtie guy. A SBF in a Chevy.As eliminations wore on sunday afternoon...

the Competition Eliminator pits at Englishtown were in a state of panic...

as Chevrolet racer's borrowed & swaped pro-stock engines...

in vain attemps...

to survive their destiny with the Cleveland powered Monza...

[Jay Allen]

with the right gear, they make power EVERYWHERE
It is refreshing to come on the Board and see a post that makes perfect sense vs some babbling rambling crap that just pi$$ses me off.

Good job Kato!!!

[1BAD50]

How bout a cleveland?maybe the real question is...

why are you building a windsor...?

[The Duke]

As eliminations wore on sunday afternoon...

the Competition Eliminator pits at Englishtown were in a state of panic...

as Chevrolet racer's borrowed & swaped pro-stock engines...

in vain attemps...

to survive their destiny with the Cleveland powered Monza..

I'm just waiting for BAD to whip out some haiku on us!


Main Entry: hai·ku
Pronunciation: 'hI-(")kü
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural haiku
Etymology: Japanese
: an unrhymed verse form of Japanese origin having three lines containing usually 5, 7, and 5 syllables respectively; also : a poem in this form usually having a seasonal reference

[sas911745]

spam!.

[BOOSTED1972]

Spam

[Nuts]

Crap, what happen to this thread fellas? Guess i will have to carry the tourch.

[wildcobrar]

I run a 2V Cleveland in my 1990 Fox Mustang. It runs very well on engine for a street car. Has been alot of fun for the past 6 to 7 years. Dropping it in the Mustang was a simple deal. And it has out run many cars that have aftermarket heads. 9.8 to 1 compression, 91 octane pump fuel and a 5 spd with 4.30 gears. Flat solid camshaft and stock bottom end with KB pistons.

10.74@ 128 3250 lb car.

Runs ok for a pump gas all motor set up.


Joe

[351crules]

I run a 2V Cleveland in my 1990 Fox Mustang. It runs very well on engine for a street car. Has been alot of fun for the past 6 to 7 years. Dropping it in the Mustang was a simple deal. And it has out run many cars that have aftermarket heads. 9.8 to 1 compression, 91 octane pump fuel and a 5 spd with 4.30 gears. Flat solid camshaft and stock bottom end with KB pistons.

10.74@ 128 3250 lb car.

Runs ok for a pump gas all motor set up.


Joe


i'd say that car runs real well

[coupe3w]

I love this thread. I will be building a new Cleveland for my '67 as soon as I can get a job. I'm going with CHI 4V and a CI cam.

[wildcobrar]

I am looking to start a new project as well. I am on the "Hunt" for some heads and I just might stray away from the "norm" a little. As for now I have a current project with Aluminum Cleveland heads and a little hint: not Edelbrock, not TFS, not CHI, not AFD, not Pro Comp. It will be pump gas and it should run fine naturally aspirated. I am getting closer to the completion of this set up and then as I have mentioned I am going to stray from the norm a little on another small block Ford build.


Joe

[Nuts]

What you cant go fast with out using any of those heads! I can only imagine how fast you can go with a real set of heads instead of a set of 2Vs LOL. Might wanna strap on a helmet.

[wildcobrar]

What you cant go fast with out using any of those heads! I can only imagine how fast you can go with a real set of heads instead of a set of 2Vs LOL. Might wanna strap on a helmet.

Haha You are a funny guy. Hope you are right!!

Joe

[Fomoco347]

I work on a mustang with a 383 Clevland and 4V heads. Runs 10.40@131 2950lbs.